ICON Aircraft has revealed plans to build a new facility in Tijuana, Mexico, where it will produce composite airframe components for the A5.
As part of a revised production plan announced in May, the company decided to produce its own composite components, a manufacturing process that was previously outsourced to several suppliers, company officials explained.
The new facility, which is due to start operations in November, covers approximately 300,000 square feet and will fabricate composite components for the A5.
The airframe parts it produces will be delivered to ICON’s factory in Northern California, where the rest of the aircraft manufacturing process will continue, including paint, systems installation, final assembly, testing, and aircraft delivery.
The establishment of the new facility will not affect the jobs of any of ICON’s current Vacaville-based employees, company officials noted.
ICON will control all manufacturing operations at both facilities, and composite parts will be made by ICON employees using ICON tooling, processes, and quality standards, officials emphasized.
“ICON’s new composite facility in Mexico is central to the improved production strategy we announced this May,” said ICON CEO and Founder Kirk Hawkins. “By bringing composite fabrication in-house, we will be able to ensure that components meet ICON’s strict quality and cost standards while also allowing us to more rapidly implement changes as we continue to improve our processes. As a result, we will improve the efficiency of the manufacturing process and supply chain to deliver a superior product.”
ICON’s VP of Manufacturing, Thomas Wieners, previously oversaw the construction and then operation of Bombardier Recreational Products’ (BRP) facility in Querétaro, Mexico, which produces Sea-Doo watercraft as well as Rotax engines and transmissions for Can-Am off-road vehicles. Prior to BRP, Wieners spent five years in various quality and manufacturing leadership roles at Mercedes-Benz.
“Manufacturing in Mexico is a powerful capability for a global industrial company, which many others in the aerospace, automotive, and powersports sectors have recognized for years,” said Wieners. “Tijuana is ideal for ICON’s needs because it is a rapidly-emerging industrial center with the infrastructure and skilled labor force, including composites and aerospace expertise, to produce the volume and quality of composites we need to meet the significant A5 demand. Tijuana’s proximity to San Diego also reduces the time and cost to ship components to ICON’s aircraft assembly facility in California.”
Once fully operational, the facility will employ more than 1,000 people, ICON officials said.
In parallel with the construction of the new composite manufacturing facility, ICON has continued to build A5s at a low rate.
The 12th A5 was recently delivered to a customer and will also be operated for training at ICON Flight Centers (IFCs).
The company expects to complete approximately 20 A5s in 2016, all of which will be operated at IFCs. The first IFC opened in Vacaville, California this summer. Approximately 30 deposit-holders have completed training there so far.
The East Coast ICON Flight Center (IFC-East) will open later this year in Tampa, Florida, and the first A5 arrived last week at Tampa’s Peter O’Knight Airport.
A third IFC in Texas is slated for early next year.
While priority is given to ICON customers for training, ICON flight training and demos are open to the general public as well, company officials noted.
“left wing”?????/gee aviation is entering into the “conversation”!!!!!!!!!!!111
As holder of position #743 the thing that bothers me most is that to this day I have not heard one word from Icon
explaining what was going on and how it was going to affect me. Since I apparently have about five more years to wait I will be cancelling my Icon order since I just put a deposit down at Oshkosh for the Rans 21.
Two thoughts:
First, all your comments are sound and well thought out. But they are words, speak with your wallet……don’t buy the product.
Second, all you folks sound like you want to see Donald Trump elected the next President of the United States. It ain’t gonna happen! 50% of the voters in this country support a felon and liar for President. HRC could get elected unless people like you commenters do more than write comments. Get out and work for Trump wherever you live and vote. It won’t take much to swing it either way. Get to work!
TRUMP 2016
OK let’s see….let’s try to pull off a manufacturing operation in a state that is so hostile to business and applies so many regulations on free enterprise – especially manufacturing operations – it would make Marx blush. Then let’s try to recruit and hire skilled labor with an unemployment rate that is a little over 4%. California isn’t a right to work state, so you’ll need to prepare for the union that will inevitably arrive on the property to extort their, ummm, “fair share”. And you can expect about three layers of politicians looking over your shoulder to make sure you have allowed organizers “free and unfettered” access to your employees.
Folks, don’t blame Icon for this, just as it was ridiculous to blame Cessna for taking the Skycatcher to China. No business is required to pay more than they have to for raw materials – including labor – in order to run their operation in a manner that will let them cover costs and make a profit. If the savings from an efficiently run business don’t translate to a competitive price, then the market will respond accordingly.
I tend to regard the pilot community as a reasonably conservative lot. I find it pretty ironic when my fellow conservatives whine about companies moving their manufacturing offshore and how they should be forced (I assume, by regulation?) to maintain a domestic operation. Sounds like socialism to me.
“I tend to regard the pilot community as a reasonably conservative lot. I find it pretty ironic when my fellow conservatives whine about companies moving their manufacturing offshore and how they should be forced (I assume, by regulation?) to maintain a domestic operation. Sounds like socialism to me.”
Finally, an intelligent comment. Reading all the comments about ICON and Mexico I have been astounded by how utterly ignorant the commenters are about the fundamentals of life. About what works and what doesn’t. And unless I missed it, no one lays the blame where it belongs – on about four or five generations of Americans that have failed at being citizens by not keeping their government under control.
I completely agree, it should not be government forcing companies to stay, the is pure socialism and not “The American Way”. Instead we need to eliminate all the needless burden and expense that drives them away to Mexico. Getting rid of NAFTA which makes it so easy and inexpensive to relocate to the south is a good start. We are on an even playing field with Canada but not even close with Mexico.
Companies have been LURED out by socialism. NAFTA and OBAMATRADE. We conservative want a level playing field. Fun how the left wingers paint these things with disinformation to the point the original point gets entirely lost. There is nothing wrong with ICON having Cirrus do their carbon work…no doubt it can be done competitively once the absurd EPA regs are lifted and the FAA gets off aviations back. You know, the left wing and their giant oppressive government, just like the one in California with their regs, taxes, and anti-business left-wing sentiment.
The “moron” comments “sound like Socialism to you”?
Your comments sound like “treason” and anti American to me.
And in case you haven’t noticed, there IS a movement now to correct what our government has been failing at for years. Maybe too little too late, but it’s a start.
Don’t confuse Patriotism with Socialism.
There are plenty of Right to Work states that have communities which would bend over backwards to bring in a new manufacturing company, take the Florida panhandle for instance where I live. But you are dead right that California is so hostile to business that it is amazing that they have not all packed up and moved elsewhere. I lived out there for awhile and could not wait to get back to the Southeast where houses are actually affordable and work commutes are not measured in hours. Icon should have never even considered starting their company in California and why they stay there even for the corporate office I fail to see unless they are the far left types that gravitate to that coast.
After following the developments of ICON over these past 6+ years now, I am hurt and disappointed that my goal of owing such an aircraft has been shattered. Delays after delays, continual price increases, false promises, and now, behind our backs the manufacture of major composite parts will be made in MEXICO? My deposit will now be going towards another aircraft for 1/2 the price and made in the USA or Canada. I am somewhat embarrassed now that I had been promoting your plane up here in Northern Canada…Huge disappointment!
Icon just lost my business.
J.W. Look in you garage or most anyplace. We are in a world market. We need to find better ways to compete. Icon has to make there product markerable to the world not just the US. Tough to swallow but most everything I buy even Harley parts are it made in America.
Perhaps the “find a better way to compete” starts with reforming the burdensome taxes, regulations, and paperwork that has made U.S. businesses uncompetitive.
There was a time within the memory of many of us when the U.S. was the “airplane maker for the world.” That is no longer the case–in General Aviation, military aviation, or commercial aviation. Our producers have become so loaded down with bureaucratic regulation and taxes that they are no longer competitive.
Let’s face it–manufacturers are NOT going overseas for “better trained workforce”–we have that right here. The are NOT going overseas for lower energy costs–we now have the worlds largest supply of natural gas. In short, there is NO reason to go outside the U.S. EXCEPT TO ESCAPE THE HANDCUFFS OUR OWN GOVERNMENT HAS PUT ON BUSINESS!
It is a sad day, indeed, when it is more economical for business to start and manage manufacturing companies overseas–then ship even low-cost items back to the U.S.–than to make them right here. Blame the government for interfering–come November, I’ll vote for any candidate that offers LESS government–not MORE!
My problem with I-CON is that their new facility was already built when they announced it–this was fraud from day one.
JIm, The reason behind the US becoming the airplane maker to the world was WWII. It decimated the production capabilities for aircraft all across Europe and the far east and left the UK heavy in debt, So there we were in the USA with a huge manufacturing infrastructure for bomber and cargo aircraft. Just look at one of the first designs Boeing put out, the Stratoliner which was a passenger version of the B-29/B-50 (C/KC-97 to the military). England did its best to compete but was eventually buried buy the advantages the US plane makers had in sales to domestic airlines. Really what we see now is the normalization of aircraft manufacturing mostly driven by heavy government support and financing across the world. If there had never been a Hitler and WWII this would have happened long ago. And no I am not a globalist, I ams red blooded and proud as any other American but I also have a common sense approach to analyzing the situation.
Nice theory but not true. Britain’s manufacturing was not destroyed..the Brits made cars, planes all kinds of goods after the war in the same way as the USA. Japan was wiped out but they were not in the domestic aircraft business to start with…and still are not…their car making was intact by the 50s.
The primary reason US manufacturing is not competitive with the world now is due to UNIONS and their combination of low productivity and high wages as compared to the rest of the world. Government regulations are also culprits in the equation. Boeing has been relocating facilities in order to lower their union footprint and bring back their competitiveness.
The spike in GA was due to baby boomers which caused spikes in all segments of the economy. The boomers are leaving aviation as they age…the kids are not as interested in the ‘sport’ so the domestic players have less market to serve….and they are burdened with outrageous FAA and other government regulations so we do not see innovation or new products from US makers.
Yes–the U.S. was the “arsenal of democracy” during WW II–but your comment ignores the fact that the U.S. aviation manufacturing industry was well-established PRIOR to WW II. While Europe was still making wooden airliners (Fokker and De Havilland), the U.S. produced the Boeing 247 and DC-3. In military airplanes, Germany had an early lead in fighters (due to huge government orders), but the B-17, P-40, P-38, Grumman Wildcats and PBYs, and Lockheed’s Lodestar patrol bombers were already flying in our air forces as well as being sold to allied forces. Those aircraft were already flying in 1936–though the Roosevelt Administration had so severely shrunk our military that we ranked 17th in the world (behind Turkey). In civil aviation, no nation even approached the U.S. for the volume of private airplanes produced.
AFTER the war, we turned out private airplanes by the thousands–what other nation did that? Well AFTER the war, the U.S. produced more private single, multi-engine, helicopter, and biz jet airplanes than the rest of the world combined. With airliners, we produced more piston airliners than any other nation–and led the world in production and utilization of jet airliners. We practically INVENTED commuter airliners–producing more than any other nation.
All of this held true until the 1970s–America WAS the “airplane maker for the world”–nothing to do with WW II. We made more GA airplanes–more commuter airliners, more airliners than any other country. Today, that no longer holds true–our GA production is about 6% of what it was in the 1960s–we no longer build any commuter airliners (though technically, Beech would build a 1900 for you if you were willing to buy one), and Boeing is neck and neck with Airbus for the airline business.
There’s no nice way to say it–we’ve lost that position–airplanes USED to be one of our biggest balance of trade exports–no longer. How did we get that way? We did it to ourselves–hamstringing not only the aviation industry, but American manufacturers in general, with well-meaning but inept over-regulation and taxation through over-use of the government pen. Fortunately, we can use that same government pen to UNDO the damage–IF we can stop being so “politically correct” and ACKNOWLEDGE the failure of this line of thinking. U
It takes a lot for someone to move manufacturing offshore–trying to teach a non-native workforce–enforcing quality control, simply MANAGING operations from a distance–plus the freight in shipping parts to and from the remote plant says so much about the regulatory quagmire the U.S. has become–it is easier to put up with these costs than to comply with the U.S. regulatory burden.
Jim, You have some good points there. If you follow military aircraft contracts over the past few decades most foreign sales required offsets to get business for local startup aerospace manufactures and in many cases the technology was transferred to them so they could build those components. Additionally many of those sales involved the assembly of those aircraft in the buyer’s nation so that set up assembly lines and transferred more technology. They were all cutting their throats just to get business in the short term. Now we have all sorts of 3rd world countries getting into the aircraft business and the market is not big enough. Those new companies are getting lots of support from their government which does not really make for a level playing field. We keep playing the short game while everyone else is playing the long game.
So what’s the cure for re-establishing the U.S. as the pre-eminent producer of high-quality airplanes? We have choices:
We COULD emulate those other countries, with nationalized aircraft factories (like Russia). That has never worked out that well anywhere it has been tried.
We COULD NOT do as you mentioned, with foreign national airlines requiring manufacture in their country in order to promote sales. That has led to an erosion of our lead in aircraft manufacturing technology–and it has come back to bite us.
We COULD do as Airbus (and India, and Pakistan, and Spain……) has done–an international consortium that is nominally private but backed by governments. That’s fascism–“the retention of private ownership of the means of production under centralized government control” (Websters). While that worked to get Europe INTO the airliner game, independently-owned Boeing has fought them into a draw for decades–and CASA and the other nationalist aircraft producers have been money pits. Fascism hasn’t worked out nearly anyplace it has been tried.
We COULD enact tariffs on foreign aircraft manufacturers–if they don’t adhere to the environmental, labor, and taxation issues forced upon our own manufacturers, they pay a large tariff. That would require someone in Washington actually making a decision and taking a stand–but it would put American manufacturers on an even playing field with the rest of the world.
Or, we COULD simply do everything in our power to reverse decades of build-up of government over-regulation, bureaucracy, and taxation to make us competitive again. “Do not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn” appears several times in the Bible–and it is good advice yet today. Or, if you prefer, the Arabic apothegm “Straw that broke the camel’s back.”
I must say I LOVE most of these comments! Outsourcing may have become a cheaper way to do things, but it’s not morally the way to do things. EVERY American job is important, and there are Americans who want the work.
Why are so many women for Hillery, they don’t have the knowledge of MFG NEEDS IN THIS CONTRY. No concept of need for jobs NOT HAND OUTS BY THE LIBERALS
I don’t know myself, it just seems to be blind allegiance to the first Woman candidate for President that had a serious chance. Myself I need more then that and I see no viable alternative to Trump, Hillary just represents more of the same old corruption that we are all sick of. Maybe he is not the best pick but at least he brings serious promise of an attempt at change in DC.
All this rah rah for Trump needs to be tempered by one indisputable fact — he doesn’t have a clue about how to solve our problems. He certainly doesn’t know how protectionism will impact globally competitive US businesses. This is the guy who said our deficit could be solved by just printing more money. Or how the US can default on our debt and let it be devalued so that we can buy it back at a discount. “Leaders” like this when elected typically fix a pimple by cutting off your nose.
If elected, Trump is going to get nothing done. Even his own party despises him.
Back to Icon — I agree they may not have understood the backlash from the buy-USA demographic that buys small aircraft. I suspect that they made the decision to build components in Mexico because they couldn’t otherwise to stay competitive. Skilled labor capable of performing component fabrication in the US is easily +$12/hr plus another 30% for taxes, insurance, and other fringes. That’s more than three times the cost in Tijuana.
Finally, if you’re going to boycott Icon over this decision, you wont be buying any aircraft. Or consumer electronics. Or automobiles. Or almost anything else you use in your daily life.
Trump does have good ideas how to repair this country after decades of mismanagement. Having trade deals that create a one-way street out of the country is one definition of insanity. Both NAFTA and TPP are typical UN style agreements that give everyone else in the world an advantage and the USA left holding the bag. The so-called climate change treaties are also crap in this same way, the USA does all the lifting everyone else gets a free-ride. Trump is proposing to change that…and for those not cynical and unsophisticated when it comes to business practice it is entirely possible to do better.
ICON had a perfectly good deal with CIrrus…why they walked from it ICON may need to explain to customers. Remember, it was ICON who also came up with the crazy sales contract that was very hostile to any customer buying their product. The problems seem to be inside ICON.
I am assuming that ICON is in business to make and sell airplanes. The previous commenters apparently think that the purpose of business is to wave the flag and support a bunch of unConstitutional bureaucrats. Perhaps these socialist morons should give some thought as to just why the business world is moving outside of US borders.
Those who do not read history are doomed to repeat it.
Icon will have the same HUGE success with its outsourced overseas A5 as Cessna had with their outsourced Skycatcher.
US buyers stayed away in droves, and the asking price for these things is lower and lower every month. Cessna got a terrific black eye over that one, and quite frankly, they deserved it because they really had no idea of who their market was and what their market’s political mind-set was. Aircraft buyers tend to have strong opinions, and really respond badly to American companies outsourcing the production of their aircraft to foreign countries.
There are plenty of places in the US which can make these parts for Icon, and would be happy to do so, often at competitive prices with overseas suppliers, and US buyers will be happy to support US workers even if the end product does cost a bit more.
My question is this – WHY are we training competitors who have lower costs than we do? Nikita Khruschev was right when he said the capitalists will sell us the rope we hang them with.
Mike, Just to show what a perverted lesson Cessna learned from their outsourcing experiment, their CEO resigned and got a nice cushy position as the head of EAA where he has no requirement to “produce” anything. I guess his phoney Engineering Degree (as disclosed by 60 Minutes) is really helpful to his career.
So now Cessna just buys out existing designs, the work of true entrepreneurs, rather than try to be the trendsetter that they were in the glory days of aviation. It is sad to think how few of their designs are in production these days but the same could be said for Piper and Beech. I do not recall either having plans to outsource to Mexico currently but Beech was considering that with the King Airs a year or so ago. Piper did try a fling with a East European partner for a SLSA but baled before it got far, just to keep the scorecard straight.
Your comment is spot on, Mike. No one here has yet commented on the ADDITIONAL demands of all kinds put on iCon by the State of California. The libs out there are driving companies out faster than new ones can replace them and yet ‘they’ don’t “get” it. I’m surprised iCon decided to even keep ANY manufacturing capability in CA. Why they chose to go south of the border is crazy.
I was one of the early purchasers of the FlyCatcher at Airventure 2007 (hard to believe nine years ago!). Cessna — likewise — knew they were going to build the thing in China but ‘hid’ it from the potential customers. When they announced the China manufacturing scheme, I ran like hell and was one of the first people to get their full $5K deposit back … by signing that I wouldn’t hold them accountable for that stupid business decision.
I am glad that pilots / airplane purchasers are holding aviation manufacturing companies accountable for this sort of shenanigan. If The Donald gets in (and I hope he does) … I hope he sticks it to Ford, et al. With the announcement that their small car manufacturing will be built 100% in Mexico, they lost my future business, as well.
California is anti-business…but ICON was born there. The Skycatcher didn’t fail because it was made in China….it failed because it was a not competitive with the more sophisticated SLSAs it went up against (RV and Flight Design). It was a cobbled together miniature version of a 172, cramped, and too expensive for what you got. Only an old Cessna guy would want one. Not the new Sport Pilots coming into the niche.
The ICON is in similar trouble not because they are moving to Mexico but because they are WAY too expensive and unfocused. Though they are using state of the art materials and want to reduce the complexity of the cockpit they are mixing missions and playing to a niche that does not exist…a sea plane with crippled speed and useful load for a quarter million bucks.
Andre von S.
Mike,
For nearly 10 years I have been trying to get the capital to bring my project to the States, after the first attempt failed due to the Lehman Brothers crash and I had to take everything back to Germany. Since then only the Chinese showed interest.
The Texas governor had 23 communities who have an airport interested in the project but no US investor showed interest even though it would have meant well over a 100 jobs. The slogan “German engineering made in the USA” alone would be a draw card apart from the flying capabilities!
I think the problem lies with American banks and investors, if the can’t squeeze the last cent out of their investment and sell their shares a few years later at 300% profit a la Silicon Valley start ups, they are not interested!
If HRC make’s it on the 8th, I will give up my planned US venture anyway! The Donald is your last chance you have!
Andre, Banks and Investors are not interested in low returns or lengthy pay offs, they want projects that will make big payoffs quickly so that they can show immediate returns to stock holders. With the Day Trader mentality the return that is 5-10 years away is of no interest, they want big gains on the investment this year or the stock prices go down. This is affecting the US industry at all levels, even our aerospace giants have given up on long term R&D unless they get government funding (DARPA, etc). Just look at the rise of the corporate raider here in the USA, they break up companies to make huge returns this year for the stockholders while destroying the company’s long term viability (just look at the airlines for numerous examples).
For the record I am Independent, I have voted for as many Democrats as Republicans and this year it is Trump or expect 4 more years of the same declines. Maybe he will not have the effect we are hoping for but it is sure that HRC will just continue the downwards slide. I do not vote based on gender, party affiliation, race or any single issue, I vote for who offers the best option for the USA to remain the great country that history shows it to be.
Sarah, I hope your last sentence will not turn out to be “past tense”!
I,m completing my Van,s A/C and was planning to purchase an A5 but will not due to it being mfg. in Mexico. Another lost customer.
“Tijuana is ideal for ICONS needs” REALLY!!!!??????
” Composite and aerospace expertise” REALLY !!!?????
You lose control of quality and production schedules when you outsource key component`s
Something that has been nagging me since I saw this video!
http://www.flyingmag.com/blogs/going-direct/spin-test-icon-a5-vs-cessna-150
I am not convinced by this stall demo. First the wing is only stalled on its inner section. Secondly the engine not having stopped, is generating enough prop wash/airflow over the horizontal stab to keep the stab flying.
The text described critical situation at low altitudes after take off, happens nearly always when the engine quits. The missing, not accelerated airflow by the stopped engine over the horizontal stab, will result in a stall of the elevator and instant nose down.
Not wise to lead future pilots on, in the safety of the Icon as the surprise they will get will remain their secret to their grave. But then, they most likely have signed I-con’s indemnifying sales agreement! (“I-con” what an appropriate name, who gets conned?)
That is really not a patriotic move. I will never encourage or support this type of behavior of any manufacturer with such disloyalty to the USA.
What a farce. As I recall, Icon had received a nice little cash infusion several years ago, something like 27 MILLION. In the LSA industry, that’s huge, from my observation. I was loosely associated with another LSA builder about 5 years ago, who was always scrounging for funds and still managed to build and sell a dozen aircraft in a couple of years as a start-up. I can’t imagine how well they might have done if millions had been dropped on them. Icon struck me as vaporware, and a way for the principles to pad their retirement accounts. They should be farther along, and able to use American labor to do it. Sheesh, they could even get skilled Mexicans here if that’s their goal.
Frankly, the top executives/management should have tried North/South Carolina for manufacturing headquarters – all kinds of tax breaks, incentives AND “Made in AMERICA”! Fire Dawkins! Hey, who said that”???
Ah, the New American Dream- outsourcing.
The problem that no one seems to realize, is that if companies keep denying jobs to Americans, someday there won’t be any Americans to afford their goods.
Foreign-built aircraft? No thanks, Icon.
The facility is not even under construction, it is FINISHED. That means that this has been in the works all along–I-CON never meant to build these in the U.S.
Let them build in Mexico–and then tax the snot out of them for any airplanes imported into the U.S. until they have to conform to all of the government taxation and over-regulation of U.S. businesses. The Obamunists remain puzzled as to why so many businesses are fleeing the U.S.
So here we have a manufacturer with a ridiculous contract to sign upon purchase and resale (even the update is unacceptable as far as I’m concerned) and to boot, now it is kicking the American workers in the teeth.
Way to go Icon.
You’ve got an arrogant attitude problem and you are disloyal to America and our economy.
Keep your cute little toy.
The only way to effectively show your disapproval of ICON’s operational practices is to NOT use their product.
Easy to not buy a $250,000 SLSA.
Wrong !!! It will only be $245,000 thanks to lower cost for labor, offset though by bribes to bypass environmental, safety and workers rights laws (what few they have).
Many years back when Ross Perot ran for President he described an experience from when he ran General Motors. He went to Mexico to tour a new assembly plant and questioned why it was built in the midst of a slum area. He was told that the area was empty when the plant was built, those were the houses that the workers had built after it opened. With that kind of uneven playing field that NAFTA has been sending all our jobs down south ??? That was Ross Perot referred to as the “Sucking Sound” that NAFTA would create.
I am not racist and have no animosity to the Mexican people but to build them up at our own expense is killing this country, all to save a few bucks on costs and boost sales in the USA (but who has a job anymore to buy those products?).
ICON is becoming a bigger disappointment as time passes. Now they will be outsourcing more than 1000 jobs that could have and should have been created here in the US for American Workers.
So another U.S. manufacturer spits in the face of the American worker and takes their production to Mexico where labor is cheap, environment rules are lax at best and regulators are easily bought off.
I agree with you 100%. Hopefully Trump will be our next President of the United States and these companies will then wish they had never outsourced to foreign countries.
Hi Alvis: U got it RIGHT -“Are traditional business principals finally coming to Washington – stay turned!” (Let’s hope so!!!!!!)
Ever notice how few of the hard-core conservatives in this country are able to spell or construct a sentence? Those things are done by using one’s brain, not one’s gut, and reveal a great deal about a person’s intelligence. “Stay TURNED” indeed…probably to the right.
Scary, isn’t it.
The scary thing is how liberals love to lie and spread dis-information. Try starting there before you two get on your high horses with typical left-wing arrogance and getting it wrong….
Ever notice how left-wing typo/grammar/spell checkers online are unable to form a cogent thought or sentence?