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Consideration — or the lack of it

By Jeffrey Madison · September 28, 2017 ·

We were on an out and back — Dulles to Newark, Newark to Dulles. Our assigned aircraft had just come out of maintenance. The captain flew the Newark leg. No issues. I flew us back to Dulles. We landed uneventfully on Runway 19R. I applied the reverse thrusters, and then I applied the brakes. That’s when the plane started to pull to the left.

The captain called “off the brakes!” I did, but we continued to pull to the left.

A “brake temp” amber caution light came on and an alarm sounded. The captain risked stepping on the brakes enough to make sure we made the left-hand runway exit safely. Then he stopped us there between Runways 19L and 19R.

I called Ground Control about our situation. They rolled the trucks. The captain notified the passengers. We ran the Brake Fire Emergency Checklist. That involved shutting down both motors and the auxiliary power unit. It also meant waiting for the crash and fire rescue personnel to give us the all clear to evacuate.

The main cabin door was on the left side of the plane, the same side as the overheating brakes. Evacuation was a no go.

Plus without buses to carry the passengers, they would have had to scramble across Runway 19L to the terminal and their connecting flights. Bad for business to lead passengers into danger.

Meanwhile, the cabin of our regional jet quickly heated up.

The captain kept the passengers informed of our situation and apologized for any inconvenience. Customer Service worked on finding reroutes on missed connections and updated me over the radio.

None of that seemed to matter to some passengers. We could hear the complaints through the flight deck door.

Finally, we got the all clear and the buses had also arrived. No one thanked us for keeping them safe. In fact, a few passengers expressed how inconsiderate it was for us to keep them stuck on the runway in a hot plane while they missed their connections, as if we had purposely engineered that day’s drama.

I wasn’t angry, just disappointed at the lack of appreciation.

I started out writing a column about runway incidents involving aircraft tire blowouts. But in researching the topic, I discovered that sometimes tire blowouts bring out the weird in people. And by weird, I mean the inconsiderate.


For instance, a Lancair pilot submitted a report to NASA’s Aviation Safety Reporting System after suffering a blown left tire on landing rollout, except he wasn’t really submitting the NASA because of the blowout. He filed a NASA report for what happened afterward.

He managed to stop the plane about 2,000 feet down a 7,000-foot runway, left of center line.

“I had blown my left main gear tire. Biggest negative was that the following aircraft called in and wanted us just to push the plane off the runway so he could land.”

Even though airport personnel temporarily closed the runway, the following pilot landed anyway, before the disabled Lancair was clear of the runway.

According to the reporting pilot, if the other pilot had waited the 10 minutes it took for ground personnel to tow his plane off the runway, there would not have been an issue.

That the second pilot felt it more important to land right away rather than let airport personnel rule out foreign object debris (FOD) on the runway raises concerns about that pilot’s mental state, or concerns about whose interest that pilot put first.

We don’t know why the second pilot thought it was a good idea to land on an occupied runway. He filed no NASA report and no discussion was recorded in the filed NASA. Nor had he declared an emergency before landing.

All we do know is that his actions lacked consideration of some basic aviation courtesies and situational awareness.

For example, the Lancair pilot reported finding a screw in his tire, an indication there was FOD on the runway. It’s possible the same source of FOD that blew the Lancair tire had spread FOD farther down the runway, jeopardizing all landing traffic.

Also, a tire that blows on the runway can produce its own debris. The second pilot didn’t appear to have considered the potential FOD hazard.

The pilot knowingly landed with personnel on the runway, endangering rescue personnel and the Lancair pilot. Leaving aside the obvious, the pilot failed to consider the possibility of loss of control of his own aircraft.

Photo courtesy FreeImages.com/William Ray

An Ercoupe pilot reported his experience via a NASA report after landing over another airplane, also with a blown tire. The reporting pilot was in the midst of the flight portion of his biennial flight review when a Beech Baron ahead of him in the pattern landed. It blew a tire and was pulled over to the edge of the runway, approximately one-quarter of the way down 6,000-foot Runway 23 at Shenandoah Valley Regional Airport (KSHD).

“I had not flown fixed wing for four years. I was with a CFI on our third landing. My CFI assessed the situation and told me to land long since we had at least 4,000 feet of runway and we were low on gas.”

The FBO operator got on the Unicom frequency and told the Ercoupe pilot he could not land while the Baron was still on the runway. He did anyway.

“Although we cleared the Baron and landed with runway to spare, I should have remembered that a disabled plane on the runway effectively closes that runway,” he concluded in his NASA report.

I like to think most pilots would never land on an occupied runway, unless they had an emergency with no other options available. I like to think most would also avoid landing on a closed runway.

I like to think they wouldn’t land as a courtesy to the other, distressed pilot, or at least because they feared violating a regulation.

Now I have to change my thinking. The truth is there is no regulation expressly prohibiting landing on an occupied or closed runway.

CFR 91.13 warns pilots about operating an aircraft, in the air or on the ground, in a careless or reckless manner so as to endanger the life or property of another.

But who defines careless or reckless?

Both the Ercoupe pilot and his CFI had two solid reasons why they weren’t being careless. They knowingly landed on an occupied runway because they felt they were low on fuel. They also perceived sufficient runway past the Baron to land safely.

The Ercoupe pilot wrote he had cleared the Baron by at least 150 feet. In his mind that meant there was no conflict.

CFR 91.111 says no person may operate an aircraft so close to another aircraft as to create a collision hazard. That rule applies both to aircraft in the air and on the ground. It leaves to interpretation what constitutes a collision hazard.

In the air, the FAA considers a collision hazard any two aircraft within 500 feet of each other. On the ground, the FAA calls “the incorrect presence of an aircraft, vehicle, or person on the protected area of a surface designated for the landing and takeoff of aircraft” a runway incursion.

But when is a runway incursion a violation? That depends.

After all, CFR 91.3 gives pilots the ultimate authority to deviate from any Part 91 rule to meet an in-flight emergency. Did the pilot who landed over the disabled Lancair suffer an in-flight emergency? What about the Ercoupe pilot?

In the first case, the only mitigating circumstance was a crowded traffic pattern due to a fly-in and an airshow. In the second case, we know the Ercoupe pilot and his CFI were concerned about their low fuel state.

Could they have gone to another airport? Perhaps. Bridgewater Air Park is only seven nautical miles from Shenandoah Valley Regional. Eagle’s Nest Airport is only 11 nm away.

So there isn’t a specific regulatory prohibition against landing on an occupied or closed runway. But the FAA can use CFR 91.111 and 91.13 to suspend or revoke a pilot’s license for doing so, if FAA officials interpret the pilot’s actions as reckless and an endangerment.

Does lack of consideration equal reckless endangerment?

Two planes landing over two other planes didn’t result in property damage or personal injury — this time. So arguably, the pilots’ aeronautical decision-making skills could be considered sound.

However, it’s arguable they were just lucky.

Regardless of which argument you think is correct, I think we can all agree that aviation is a lot like golf.

We are a community of people who are charged with policing ourselves to fill out our own logbooks accurately, to maintain our own proficiency, and to abide by a certain code of conduct that includes taking the safety of fellow pilots into consideration.

Two takeaways come from these two reports. The first is that at least two pilots did not deem it inconsiderate to land over two other pilots stranded on a runway.

The second is that consideration, and the lack of it, matter in a world as inherently dangerous as aviation.

About Jeffrey Madison

Jeffrey Madison, a pilot since 1995, is an ATP CFI/MEI. He has over 1,000 hours dual given. He has flown into more than 250 GA airports throughout most of the Lower 48. He is a former Part 121 and Part 135 airline captain. You can reach him at [email protected]

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  1. Edmond Jones says

    October 13, 2017 at 11:32 am

    Not addressing anyone person or situation but, let me say it is a wise idea to not be writing up other pilots until one has thought it through. I have landed over a aircraft disabled on a main runway due to having minimum fuel. In some circles a write up against another pilot can get you a lot of grief.

  2. Patrick Tobler says

    October 13, 2017 at 2:43 am

    “No one thanked us for keeping them safe”. I am a pilot so I certainly understand having our ego stroked. However, I earn my living as an A&P mechanic. When was the last time you thanked your A&P mechanic after a flight for keeping you safe? 🙂

    • Okee Chobee says

      October 13, 2017 at 9:52 am

      Every time I see him… and I pay him the highest compliment someone who can’t really afford to own even a Luscombe can pay… I PAY the bill the moment it is presented.

    • Jeffrey Madison says

      November 25, 2017 at 7:24 am

      You are correct. Thank you for keeping my aircraft safe! From now on, every time I see an A&P, I will do so. And I will also keep my own ego in check!

  3. Okee Chobee says

    October 1, 2017 at 2:35 pm

    Some decades ago I was going through lofts at Tucson’s Ryan Field (RYN) with my mechanic looking for outcast Luscombe parts and heard our Aero Club’s pride and joy – a white T-34 – enter the pattern. Yes “heard” = always throaty and that day backfiring a bit from a hamfisted throttle chop. We stepped outside to watch the approach…a tad hot it seemed… smooth touchdown, power came roaring up for the “go” followed by zing, crunch, slide, silence. We were alongside before the dust settled and I talked the stunned pilot through mags off, fuel off, etc., helping him step out (not down) just as the airport manager screeched up with his 4wd pickup and a 20 foot hawser in the bed with one end already knotted onto his trailer hitch. “Aircraft are in the pattern…We’ve gotta drag this thing off of here RIGHT NOW” he shouted, hastily tying a loop around the prop hub and bent blades. As he jogged back to his truck ignoring my protests, I untied the loop and he moved a few feet surprised at the ease and stopped. A “brisk” exchange followed with my pointing out the winds were calm, there was a perfectly flat long wide dirt crosswind runway in use wand the fallback was Avra Valley over the next hillock for those concerned about coccidiodomicosis. I added that if he had an engine hoist or crane I was sure there was nothing wrong with the gear and we could roll it away without further damage. Serenidipitously a towtruck arrived, we hoisted the nose with the wounded bird rocking on its tail tiedown steadied by a man on each wingtip, extended the gear, and rolled it away. The student without (looking and ID- confirming aloud per procedures) had confused the flap switch with the gear switch… which are opposite many other makes and models. Six months later with a new engine, flaps, prop, gear doors, etc in place, the Club’s Chief and Assistant pilot went up for recurrrency before resuming giving commercial checkrides in it. The Chief gave the Ass’t a simulated engine failure entering downwind. Ass’t dutifully went full coarse pitch and held off on the gear to extend the glide, then touched down precisely at the recommended one third along the runway point… and noisily slid to a stop within two stripes. True story – .7 SMOH

  4. gbigs says

    September 29, 2017 at 8:32 am

    Struggling with FAA language vagueness is a standard gripe in aviation. But the FAA lawyers do it intentionally because the FAA wants to be the final arbiter of what the language means.

    Runway incursions have four categories of severity and something the FAA says is an “Accident.”

    If you don’t want to be accused of or having to defend yourself from an incursion then you will NEVER test the language of the regs by landing on an occupied runway or positioning onto a runway while other planes are still taxiing to exit. Even if you THINK the regs say you can.

    Courtesy is a subjective thing. One person may think they are giving wide latitude while the other sees it as a near miss. In all cases when a report is submitted the FAA is in charge and one of their government guys will ‘interpret’ the language for or against your case.

    • Jeffrey Madison says

      October 1, 2017 at 1:14 pm

      It’s always a dance we have with the FAA, gbigs. Your words have wisdom.

  5. SM says

    September 29, 2017 at 5:46 am

    Great piece, but I have to make a comment about the “inconsiderate.”

    Your job is to fly, safely, those passengers to the destination they paid for. But when we’re sitting in the back of the plane, safety is not the main consideration. Getting to where we’re going, our jobs, life’s, careers, family etc are the things we’re thinking about. Not your job of getting us there safely. There’s an assumption that will happen. So though it may seem inconsiderate, remember, each individuals bubble is different and believe it or not many passengers don’t fully understand the skill it takes to takeoff, fly and land an airplane every time. The mere fact they grumbled even a little is actually testament to the safety record of the airlines in this country and the pilots who fly them.

    As a pilot and airplane owner I know the responsibility I have when flying with passengers, but I also know most don’t have a clue of what it takes and how I “feel” about flying them to a destination safely. I accept that they may even be disappointed in a cancel flight due to weather or other factors but I’m secure in the knowledge of what I know and my decision making.

    Give the passengers a break. They have a responsibilities and you may not fully understand why it’s so important for them to get where there going on time.

    • Jeffrey Madison says

      October 1, 2017 at 1:11 pm

      Good point, SM. On that day, it was a long one, and I let my own discomfort from the heat, the situation and hunger get to me. Will endeavor to avoid that in future.

      • SM says

        October 2, 2017 at 6:46 am

        Wasn’t meant to criticize and appreciate the frustration you face dealing with public. I’m law enforcement and only many years and wrinkle lines have taught me how others perceive what we do.

        • Jeffrey Madison says

          November 25, 2017 at 7:25 am

          Copy that!

  6. Jamie Beckett says

    September 29, 2017 at 4:55 am

    Excellent piece. I appreciate the perspective on safety and risk mitigation. We are all putting our lives in the hands of others when we fly. I’ll commit to doing my best to keep me and everyone else safe by following the rules, using good judgement, and erring on the side of the conservative. It’s my hope the other pilots I encounter will do the same.

    Thanks for sharing this piece, Jeffrey. It’s message is timeless.

    • Jeffrey Madison says

      October 1, 2017 at 1:12 pm

      Thanks, Jamie. Glad to be of service.

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