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Plane lands while another plane is still on runway

By NASA · March 30, 2023 ·

This is an excerpt from a report made to the Aviation Safety Reporting System. The narrative is written by the pilot, rather than FAA or NTSB officials. To maintain anonymity, many details, such as aircraft model or airport, are often scrubbed from the reports.

My instructor and I returned from a practice area. We entered a 45 to downwind for Runway X making a radio call.

When we are abeam the numbers we hear a transient aircraft make a downwind radio call; he had not made a 45 to downwind call. We proceed to turn base, making a radio call and hear the other aircraft make a base call as we are still in the base.

We then call our final turn and proceed to land on Runway X going full length. As we were rolling down the runway I looked behind us to discover the other aircraft on the runway at the same time as us (within 500 feet) and moving faster than we were.

When we were clear of the runway I made the decision to taxi into the run-up area for the after landing checklist so he could clear the runway as well.

I complete the after landing checklist and observe the aircraft taxi by us with excessive speed.

We then proceeded to taxi behind him and observe him park in the first T spot near the grass.

After we pass him on the ramp, he recklessly proceeds to taxi towards the fuel pumps not following the center line, cutting through the grass, and putting the nose/propeller of his aircraft within 3 feet of the fuel pumps.

He quickly proceeded to shut down the airplane, unload his passenger, push back the airplane, and depart the airport with haste.

Primary Problem: Human Factors

ACN: 1934470

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Comments

  1. Dean says

    April 8, 2023 at 5:17 am

    Your mistake is obvious! Never land on runway X. The X means do not land on this runway.

  2. George s. says

    April 6, 2023 at 5:40 am

    Airline mech for 30 years…tom with 22k hrs has got it pretty close to right….be careful though and think it through…there are snakes in the mels and fars. As a mech…captain is always right !!

  3. Bruce Herden says

    April 3, 2023 at 1:36 pm

    The NASA ARC 277U Safety Reporting Form / System is used to collect data in the event of a near miss or a breach of safety operations/ maintenance.

    It is not used to report an accident or criminal activity.

    Report your mistake voluntarily, (ie. breaking ceiling, safety wiring backwards etc.) and it will not be held against you.

    The purpose of any safety investigation is to assess cause, not blame.

  4. Mac Daddy says

    April 1, 2023 at 2:37 pm

    Gentleman, this is the exact reason I have found myself very reluctant to even consider flying again. I was in the military for several years , I flew to Naples Italy down through turkey Germany and God knows where else. But now I am truly afraid not of the plane, but of the people that is in the cockpit.

  5. Nick S says

    March 31, 2023 at 1:04 pm

    Ok whatever. But why file a NASA on it?

    • Dale L. Weir says

      March 31, 2023 at 1:47 pm

      NASA reports are only one side of the story, it appears that some pilots use them to complain about something that another pilot may or may not have done to hurt their feelings….

      • Francis D Koester says

        April 6, 2023 at 5:28 am

        Well…we DO live in a WOKE society now don’t we?

  6. Nad says

    March 31, 2023 at 8:12 am

    Is your name Irene? Just wondering if you might be my 95 year old mother that looks for small things to complain about. Why would you be looking back while rolling out? Maybe because you emphasized you used all the runway. I’ve been flying for 54 years (22,000+ hours) and believe me pilots come in all shapes, colors and stripes. I’m the type that makes “rolling stops” through the intersection when I’ve looked both ways two times. Yes it is illegal but has common sense to it. I also “bend” FARS, using common sense judgement. Let me give an example. You are a Part 121 flyer, out in Tim buck too. You know where Tim bucked one and You bucked two. ( sorry I digress). You have 155 smiles in every seat, it’s Friday at 4 pm and you are on a three holer and low and behold when you start # 2 generator will not come on line. You have no maintenance at that airport. LEGALLY you are dead in the water. However I’ve seen this more than a dozen times so you call a mechanic who comes out Verifies two Gen operation and puts it in the log book and placards the Gen inop and you are on your way. A little common sense gives you an out. You have just made 155 peeps and 4 FAs and three pilots HAPPY. No harm no foul. You surely can figure out how this becomes legal before setting the brakes at destination. On the far extreme I watched Captains put a plane out of service because of a badly faded placard. Those people behind the door pay your salary, they want to go somewhere, if you can safely do so, DO IT!

    • Thomas Ibach says

      April 1, 2023 at 10:54 am

      wow!!! they reported a reckless pilot!! Plenty to complain about…”who looks behind”…a careful pilot who suspects they might be hit…strange attitude..breaking regulations ignoring MEL protocols…keep bending FARs, soon enough you’ll bend an airplane…

      • Nad says

        April 4, 2023 at 8:07 am

        Yeah Tom you are the guy in 44E telling everyone in the plane you are a private pilot and the crew doesn’t know what they are doing. I must be doing something right with over 22,000 hours and 54 years from crop dusters to jets. What do you fly?

  7. PD says

    March 31, 2023 at 5:40 am

    Lots of relative/subjective phrases here… “excessive speed”, “recklessly proceeds”, “depart with haste”.
    And who cares about “within three feet” of a fuel pump (is there a danger there?).
    Makes me wonder whether “within 500 feet” on the runway is accurate.
    I’m sorry… but this did absolutely nothing for me except cause me to wonder whether this is an over reactive whiner or a legitimate safety concern.

    • scott k patterson says

      March 31, 2023 at 6:11 am

      Ditto!

  8. Anonymous says

    March 30, 2023 at 8:31 pm

    You guys are. Acting like children out there you are sapoze to be grown ups

  9. Virginia culver says

    March 30, 2023 at 7:15 pm

    Why On Earth would the men in the tower have not stopped us man send a car out there to stop him the police after him he should not have been allowe to leave

    • Mike says

      March 31, 2023 at 8:51 am

      Probably an uncontrolled GA airstrip.

  10. Paula Sailer says

    March 30, 2023 at 4:30 pm

    I think he was drunk

    • Jack Sit says

      April 4, 2023 at 9:41 am

      Wow. All the whining in the comments about how dumb and illegitimate this NASA is makes it clear more birds are gonna drop outta the sky.

      Reckless pilots not being held accountable is a systemic problem. How in the heck are all these pilots cheering on breaking important rules given the number of midairs and runway incursions?

      I don’t get it. Sure, no one cares about a faded placard or getting an in-op fixed so you can fly but callouts, runway incursions, and flying like you stole it gets people dead. Not just the reckless pilots. God help us.

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