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Scout pilot ground loops after rogue wind gust

By NASA · July 25, 2023 ·

This is an excerpt from a report made to the Aviation Safety Reporting System. The narrative is written by the pilot, rather than FAA or NTSB officials. To maintain anonymity, many details, such as aircraft model or airport, are often scrubbed from the reports.

I was at ZZZ to practice full-stop, taxi-back takeoff and landings in my Scout 8GCBC. Initially, winds favored Runway XX, winds 020 at 6 knots, with some rogue gusts to 12.

Four takeoff and taxi-backs were accomplished on Runway XX — two wheel landings and two three-point landings. All were excellent landings and taxi-backs.

The wind shifted, not unusual at this airport, around to west-southwest, still in the 6 knot range. It reports variable much of the time.

My fifth takeoff was on Runway XX, but GA traffic was now taxiing to Runway XY. AWOS reporting wind direction of 180° in its switch to west-southwest.

I took off and reported that I would leave the airport environment and re-enter the right downwind for Runway XY. I did one wheel landing and came around the pattern for what was to be my last landing, after which I would taxi to the air park.

This airport is known for rogue gusts as it sits on a hill with the south side of the runway having rising terrain, which seems to create gusts at the numbers on the Runway XY approach.

I was set up fine for the final landing and just prior to touchdown — three-point type — a gust rotated the aircraft and I was not able to get it straight even after the touchdown, resulting in a loss of control.

The aircraft began the proverbial ground loop, which I could not stop, and an excursion into the infield on the left side of the runway.

Damage consisting of right wing, broken right main, bent left main, etc.

Lessons learned: With a tailwheel you just can’t be too careful. I had five great landings and I felt no different on this one. I have 250 hours of tail time so not a long-time tailwheel guy and I believe the gust just got me and I didn’t get it straightened out.

Talking to old timers, the land beyond my landing spot, well beyond the runway stripe, seems to have rogue gusts on a regular basis. Much of the time AWOS reports variable wind instead of a direction because it is varying anywhere from 20° to 40°. I did not have any local knowledge in my favor.

Primary Problem: Human Factors

ACN: 1960621

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Comments

  1. Dave Hett says

    July 26, 2023 at 8:13 am

    Sorry about the plane but glad you are ok. Dave

  2. Leigh says

    July 26, 2023 at 7:57 am

    All ground loops are do to a lack of correct aileron input followed by correct rudder input. Part of landing is reading the airport lay out so that you’re ready for wind changes. Something that needs to be taught more.

  3. Paul says

    July 26, 2023 at 7:46 am

    I was brought up on tail drawers over 60 years ago and very soon learned to use the throttle as soon as there was any hint of losing longitudinal control. Full power & over shoot. I still use the same technique now.

    • Warren Webb Jr says

      July 26, 2023 at 8:59 am

      The wind shift and the gusting were signs of possible trouble. Agree with using the throttle – it wasn’t mentioned in the report so it’s assumed he didn’t use the throttle or wasn’t familiar with its use under those circumstances. It of course can be used with tricycle gear aircraft in the same conditions. It is understandable – conditions that push the airplane beyond it’s normal control limit just don’t happen very often and training specifically for adding control authority by adding power is something you rarely see discussed.

  4. Paul says

    July 26, 2023 at 7:40 am

    I was brought up on tail drawers over 60 years and very soon to use the throttle as soon as there was any hint of losing longitudinal control. Full power & over shoot. I still use the same technique now.

  5. Barney says

    July 26, 2023 at 6:09 am

    I am not a pilot but despite that have had the odd thought. If that area has had rogue gusts on a regular basis would it be possible to disrupt this process by altering the wind pattern with wind break of some sort? If we know about a problem why not do something about it, and not risk a beautiful airplane, I assume the pilot is valuable as well.

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