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Confused controller confuses pilot

By General Aviation News Staff · May 29, 2025 · 3 Comments

This is an excerpt from a report made to the Aviation Safety Reporting System. The narrative is written by the pilot, rather than FAA or NTSB officials. To maintain anonymity, many details, such as aircraft model or airport, are often scrubbed from the reports.

Conditions were clear skies, light winds out of the north. Landing and departing Runway 31R at Reid-Hillview Airport of Santa Clara County (KRHV) in San Jose, California. I was with a student who was practicing landings.

KRHV has two runways, but extensive airport construction has been happening for some months now. Recently, they decided to allow pattern work with only one runway open.

Unfortunately, I think this has a severe impact on safety, especially on weekends with a higher volume of aircraft coming in and out.

My student and I were on an extended left downwind for Runway 31R. We were over 10 miles out from the airport, and I was beginning to assume that due to the busy nature of arrivals and departures, KRHV Tower forgot we were closed traffic. I advised that we were looking for a base turn. They told us we could turn now and we were #3.

I had ADSB-in on board and could see traffic around us. During this downwind extension, I heard another pilot in Aircraft Y was told to go around and make left traffic, as there was an aircraft still on the runway when he was short final.

At KRHV they almost always extend our downwind for spacing. But to this pilot who had just went around, he was already five to seven miles south of the field when KRHV Tower said, “maintain 1,500, overfly 31R and make left traffic.”

This uncommon instruction confused the pilot due to how far they already were from the field. That instruction would’ve made sense had he been midfield downwind for right pattern, but he wasn’t. He was confused.

I was with my student at 1,500 feet, on the glideslope, approaching to land. I had traffic on short final ahead of us and traffic behind us. The pilot who got the uncommon instruction asked the tower “Do you just want me to turn base now?” KRHV Tower said “yes, turn base now.”

I watched in horror as this airplane turned left base directly into my student and I at the exact same altitude. I tried to make a call on frequency to say “please don’t turn we are right here!” but I do not think it transmitted.

I took controls and had to evasively dive the airplane down to avoid him. The radio was so filled with chatter it was impossible to get a word in before he turned.

In a panic I told the tower “You just turned that airplane into us on final!” They claimed, “He is at 1,500 overflying the field to make left traffic.”

I said that I understood that, but we are at 1,500, so he turned left into us at the same altitude.

KRHV tower responded with “Roger.”

ATC made no attempt to confirm that the airplane turning left base had either me, or the other two people on final, in sight.

I spoke with the other pilot afterwards and they confirmed they had no idea people were on final until he heard me.

I ended up calling KRHV tower once on the ground to see if I could’ve done anything differently to have that unfold better. I tried to explain that on a 7-8 mile final from KRHV, we have to maintain a higher altitude like 1,500 to be on the glideslope.

They said I didn’t do anything wrong, the other pilot had us in sight.

I know now that this is NOT true.

I was not left feeling good with that interaction from ATC. I know in my heart that if I was not on board this airplane, my new student’s lack of situational awareness could’ve led to a real mid-air collision.

To have that occur in clear conditions at a towered airport is unacceptable. KRHV Tower is not equipped to handle the high volume of traffic on weekends and offer pattern work.

A few months ago, when they had only 31L open but did not allow pattern work, events like this never occurred.

I believe task saturation was causing KRHV tower to confuse themselves with their instructions during this.

I estimate there was three people in the pattern, five to six people inbound, and three to four planes holding short waiting to depart. During this unfolding, I heard them call multiple aircraft by the wrong tail numbers. For safety’s sake I will not be doing any pattern work at KRHV until both runways are open.

The pilot who turned into me had a lack of situational awareness as well. Had he been listening to the frequency more, he would’ve known there was multiple aircraft on final.

Primary Problem: Airspace Structure

ACN: 2185499

When you click on the link it will take you to the ASRS Online Database. Click on Report Number and put the ACN in the search box, then click Search. On that page, click on “view only the 1 most recent report.”

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  1. Shary says

    May 30, 2025 at 12:13 pm

    You guys all flying B-52s???
    A 10 mile final is not short nor is it part of a normal traffic pattern — even for many airliners (Do you know how far 10 miles is????)

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  2. Flying B says

    May 30, 2025 at 9:30 am

    The pilot is confused, the tower is confused and I’m confused as well. I have never been to RHV. But when I look it up the airport is 135 elevation. Pattern altitude is 1,100 MSL.

    https://files.santaclaracounty.gov/exjcpb1466/migrated/PilotInsert-RHV.pdf

    So the reporting airplane is 1,500 MSL in the pattern. I looked at the report and it is VMC, he is not doing instrument approaches. He is an instructor. Does he teach students to fly above pattern altitude? Maybe it is normal there? Would someone who flys into RHV often comment if this the norm for the airfield?

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    • Tom Curran says

      May 30, 2025 at 11:42 am

      Great point. I’m not just confused—this one gave me Spacial D…

      The only reason I could figure for these guys to float several hundred feet above PA: If they’re on a 10 NM(!) “extended downwind” for 31R, not only are they well outside of KRHV’s Class D (so, PA is really N/A), they’re also crossing over significantly rising terrain, with lots of development, so 1,100’ is probably a bit skosh.

      Why “on a 7-8 mile final from KRHV, we have to maintain a higher altitude like 1,500 to be on the glideslope.”

      Huh?

      The appropriate min altitudes for the 2 x RNAV approaches (both with 4-deg GPs) at that range are @1,000’+ higher than that…so…IDK?

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